{"id":2145,"date":"2022-08-28T22:48:29","date_gmt":"2022-08-28T22:48:29","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ahda.org.uk\/blog\/?p=2145"},"modified":"2024-01-13T13:49:03","modified_gmt":"2024-01-13T13:49:03","slug":"fairlop-waters-survey-what-they-arent-asking","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ahda.org.uk\/blog\/2022\/08\/28\/fairlop-waters-survey-what-they-arent-asking\/","title":{"rendered":"Fairlop Waters Survey &#8211; what they aren&#8217;t asking"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">The Fairlop Waters Masterplan survey -the questions they aren&#8217;t asking.<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">There are 27 features mapped out on the Fairlop Waters Masterplan of which at least 19 are totally new.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-7387b849 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/ahda.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/image-18.png\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/ahda.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/image-18.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2146\" width=\"420\" height=\"393\"\/><\/a><figcaption>Click for larger version<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\" style=\"flex-basis:50%\">\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Feedback is only asked about 7 of them.  At least 2 of the &#8216;missing&#8217; new features are BBQ area and Wild Swimming. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We will be asking why Redbridge \/ Future Fairlop are not interested in peoples&#8217; views on ALL of the new proposed features they wish to include in Fairlop Waters Country Park.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Below are the details of some of the <strong>missing items<\/strong> and the things you may wish to consider when replying <a href=\"https:\/\/www.surveymonkey.com\/r\/fairlop_waters\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">online<\/a> or in person. Our thanks to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/908319326226593\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Protect Fairlop Plain facebook group<\/a> for their Good, Bad and the Ugly series.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">Area (15) Wild Swimming (Not on LBR Feedback Form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* The water body indicated for this is a steep sided silt settling lagoon which has a bottom like quick sand and other underwater debris. <br>* It is relatively remote from the existing centre buildings.<br>* Would be costly to make safe for a non fee paying activity that would require full time supervision. <br>* This water body has existing wildlife usage that will be totally disrupted by this activity.<br>* Is a potential European Beaver release site.<br>* The recent death of a young man in the main lake questions the promotion of this unsupervised activity at Fairlop.<br>This project definitely falls in our BAD category<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 26) New Location for Wedding Marquee ( Not on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* We must ask what place has a private business catering for a exclusive market got in a public country park especially in the lakeside setting? <br>* Its patrons overload the carpark<br>* Night time activity can have a detrimental effect on nocturnal wildlife ie sound, light and human movement <br>* To be honest the marquee is ugly and out of place in that location<br>This is both Bad and Ugly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\"><strong>(Area 9) Events\/performance space (not mentioned on feedback form)<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* This is for Vision to generate revenue only <br>* A large area has been allocated for this! More than the area used by the current fair! <br>* It will involve night time activity therefore putting nocturnal animals such as bats (all UK species are protected) under pressure. <br>* Compaction of the soil maybe critical for feeding birds.<br>* More carparking spaces required.<br>* This is one of the Bad idea&#8217;s<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 20) Water Park (Not on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">WE ARE LUMPING IN ALL LAKE ACTIVITY INTO THIS AS THE PLAN FOCUSES ON THIS AREA INCLUDING DISCUSSION IN PHASE 3 SESSIONS <br>* All water activities should not increase in size or duration in day and season unless full ecological impact is carried out. <br>*Ecological enhancements to the islands and some of the lake bays must be carried out if parts of lake and surrounding area are opened up for more human activity. <br>*In our view the beauty of the lake is in the wildlife using it not the human activates taking place.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 5) Boules\/Petanque (not mentioned in feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* Good, why not.<br>* Is it the right place? Surely if you don&#8217;t want to loose the kit? putting the green in a fenced area accessible via the rebuilt Boat house would make more sense.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 27) reinforced grass for accessible parking (Not on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* This appears to be a new addition<br>* Interesting when there are two car parks adjacent that are part of the current gravel working complex one each side of Painters Road won&#8217;t this suffice? <br>Bad as not needed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 3) Expanded allotments (not mentioned on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* This is really GOOD * Could have space for community food growing with nature ie Forest Garden concept.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 25) New water body and wetland meadow Not on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* Definitely support with the following proviso.<br>* There is a site wide Crassula (New Zealand pygmy weed problem affecting most water bodies that needs to be addressed prior to further creation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 7) Animal grazing (Longhorn Cattle) (not mentioned on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* Good Fairlop needs as much natural mangement of natural features as possible so should not be tied to a specific area on the plan. <br>* But why just Longhorn cattle? Many of the native breeds and animals are used for conservation grazing. <br>* Although No Fence Technology would be used there is still a need for wardens to protect the animals from the public and there dogs.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 23) Estate facilities(Grounds Maintenance) (not mentioned on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* Note this has been moved from off Forest Rd in Phase 3 version to off Painters Rd (was the intention to give more room for the events area?) <br>* Surprised at this vulnerable location would have to be heavily fortified on road side. <br>* Turns a rural area into a unnecessary visual mess. <br>Think this is one of the BAD &amp; UGLY developments<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 21) Play area (not on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* Assume this only relates to the existing play equipment in the existing defined woodland bays to the north of main lake? <br>* Apart from renewals there will be no attempt to increase capacity <br>* Play equipment installed is in keeping with the setting <br>This would be acceptable<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 8) Sculptural trail (not mentioned on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* Good if it reflects the natural ethos of Fairlop including its history. <br>* The materials integrate into the landscape.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 24) New water bodies connecting existing Lagoon and ditches (not on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* In principle supported <br>* However this is possibly one of the domestic landfill areas of the site and incur significant cost to remediate for creation. <br>* There is a site wide Crassula (New Zealand pygmy weed problem affecting most water bodies that needs to be addressed prior to further creation<br>* All new water bodies should be considered for the gravel works of Aldborough Hatch Farm or On a smaller scale Aldborough Hall nature reserve. <br>* The park could do with more diverse wetlands for wildlife<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 11) Angling lake- no change proposed (not mentioned on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* We would like to see a Kingfisher\/Sandmartin nesting bank and birdwatching screens.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 14) Family picnic area (potentially BBQ area) (not mentioned on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* As BBQ&#8217;s\/ Fires are against the current parks bylaws and we have recently seen what can happen to our beloved Fairlop when this is flouted the BBQ element must go permanently. <br>* Having a controlled picnic area would be beneficial with enhanced resource for control and cleaning and persuasion against going off piste. <br>* But is this the right place on the plan nearly half way between the Barkingside entrance and the Boathouse?<br>* Think this fits into the bad category.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-medium-font-size wp-block-heading\">(Area 13) Naturalised river with crossing points (not mentioned on feedback form)<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">* Good with the following provisos.<br>* Needs a reedbed to help filter the lake water. <br>* Seven Kings Water should be naturalised its full length till it exits the extended park at the A12 Eastern Avenue. <br>* There should be some no go areas specifically for nature. <br>* Consideration should be given to European Beaver introduction.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div data-wp-interactive=\"core\/file\" class=\"wp-block-file\"><object data-wp-bind--hidden=\"!state.hasPdfPreview\" hidden class=\"wp-block-file__embed\" data=\"https:\/\/ahda.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/fairlop-con003.pdf\" type=\"application\/pdf\" style=\"width:100%;height:420px\" aria-label=\"Embed of Embed of fairlopfeedbackform..\"><\/object><a id=\"wp-block-file--media-d987ce22-239b-4232-8731-969a7b9175f6\" href=\"https:\/\/ahda.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/fairlop-con003.pdf\">fairlopfeedbackform<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/ahda.org.uk\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/08\/fairlop-con003.pdf\" class=\"wp-block-file__button\" download aria-describedby=\"wp-block-file--media-d987ce22-239b-4232-8731-969a7b9175f6\">Download<\/a><\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The Fairlop Waters Masterplan survey -the questions they aren&rsquo;t asking. There are 27 features mapped out on the Fairlop Waters Masterplan of which at least 19 are totally new. Feedback is only asked about 7 of them. At least 2 of the &lsquo;missing&rsquo; new features are BBQ area and Wild Swimming. 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